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| Topic Started: Mar 20 2010, 04:34 PM (277 Views) | |
| Kare | Mar 20 2010, 04:34 PM Post #1 |
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Hi again, another couple of questions from me ;) As a first time saluki owner, what would you think about whether I should get a puppy or an older saluki? Do you think one is easier than the other, would you not want to miss out on raising a pup or be find an older dog just as rewarding? Also, and I know this is a hard one to answer as all individual dogs vary, but dogs and bitches- how do they differ? Have you found one to be easier than the other? What about for a first time owner? Just give me your general thoughts/experiences please :) And because I can't keep the news to myself cos I'm too excited, the reason behind this question is that I will probably be doing a different course now instead of going to uni so I can run my own business- and if things go to plan hopefully around autumn time this year I will be getting my first saluki! I was preparing myself for 3 years wait until I could get my own and now I may have one by the end of this year! :D :clapping: So excited, I have to stop myself getting obsessed though because I do have to wait a bit longer ;) So I'm just starting to think about questions like these and would love to hear from you guys. |
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| arcticgun | Mar 20 2010, 06:13 PM Post #2 |
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Personaly I'd go for a pup, then it's pretty much a blank canvass, and nobody else can be blamed if it goes wrong :'( which it won't ;) with regards to sex, I used to keep only bitches but took on two males this year both pups and am well pleased with both of them, but I do love the slight built light framed saluki bitches B) Giving uni a miss? :D I deffered my third year so I could get my pups sorted :lol1: (I was sick as feck, been doing one course or another for the last 12 year) nothing spoiling life is long and there is plenty of time to study in the years ahead. You'll get less of a headache off a saluki pup then studying for a degree ;) more interesting as well B) I hear that females mature quicker than dog pups, and dogs are said to be more loyal, both generalisations imho, you get out what you put in. It's buyer beware when buying a saluki, so do your home work, it pays ;) are you planning to work your saluki or show it? Good luck with your new path, I hope you do well with whatever you do atvb Richard ps, I found the following two books very helpful ; Jan Fennel 'Dog Listener' and Ceaser Milan ' Ceasers Way' both detail Amechian bonding which I have found pays dividends whilst training saluki, my copies are lent out to a friend at present, but if you want a lend in future drop me a pm :) |
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| Saluqihounds | Mar 20 2010, 08:08 PM Post #3 |
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I'd pretty much go along with what Richard has said. I'd go with pups for the most part although I have rescued 2 adult Salukis and they both have been incredible dogs over coming their bad starts in life and becoming 2 of the most loyal and in-tune dogs I've had. I prefer bitches mainly due to them typically being smaller therefore more suitable for working rabbit etc in woods. But then the larger dogs excel on the moors and ploughs :HMMMMM: Bitches I would certainly say mature far earlier than dogs which often behave like big pups beyond 3 years old! :yey: Dogs tend to be more protective. Bitches perhaps clingier? :HMMMMM: I'm trying to compare my Salukis for differences but its really not so straight forward to say dogs are like so and bitches like this, like Richard says for the most part they are what you make of them yourself. Best of luck with it all, hope it all works out for you. Regards Mark |
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| DeviodOvTalent | Mar 20 2010, 08:48 PM Post #4 |
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I keep a large number of dogs so have a fair sample to work from. All dogs are individuals but in general: Males are better behaved and more loving than bitches. They tend to behave like puppies for a longer period. Their personalities stay on an even keel. Bitches kept intact can be very moody and weird and can go through clingy periods. Bitches mature mentally at a younger age than males. Bitches tend to be naughtier. Puppies: Require more time investment: training, house breaking, etc. Don't generally come with baggage. You have the joy of watching your pup grow up. Cause more trouble. Need more exercise. Are more malleable, behaviorally. Might not turn out to be what you were expecting/hoping for. Older dogs: Rescue dogs come with baggage, sometimes good, sometimes bad. You can't avoid baggage with an adult dog. With a dog of unknown background you will have unknown experiences as well. Are generally housebroken or train more quickly than a pup. Are done with the puppy spaz period. What you see is what you get. All dogs are rewarding to the degree that you put time and effort into your relationship with them. I prefer bitches: they are smaller, they tend to have stronger/more defined personalities, they are weird and moody, and I bond more strongly with them. I prefer to bring in puppies; because I keep a lot of dogs and I like to have them all get along, puppies are easier to integrate into the group. |
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| Paul | Mar 20 2010, 09:52 PM Post #5 |
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our first saluli was a seven month old bitch. absolute nightmare - I swore never to have another "older" hound but not long after we took in a 13 month old bitch who turned out to be an absolute dream, so it really does depend on where the pup comes from and the type of background it has had. My preference would always be a puppy. More importantly however is its background and the breeding. I would want true working parents and would want to be able to see them, I would also do my homework re pedigree - I wouldn't want anything too closely in bred but that's my preference I like big heads (lots of brain room) deep chests for heart and lung room and broad chests, I am also a bit of a stickler re rear movement - I like to see a hound being able to move its backside, can't stand these with tight close movement that always look constipated. Don't get a saluki because you feel sorry for it or you like the colour, coat etc. think about why you want it and, what you i ntend to do with it . Make sure you get to see both parents off the lead and how they behave. Re Uni -think carefully its not easy to go back as you get older (crikey I feel like a granny saying this), you can always get into salukis at uni or afterwards. Good luck with what ever you decide to do, remember you can PM any of us if you think it would be useful - there is a lot of expeience out here and not just with saluki's!!!! Show season is coming up so its easy to arrange meetings to discuss face to face and to see different types of hounds PS - How do I stop Paul deciding to breed another litter or but another bitch? I am not ready for more saluki's................. Joanna |
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| Callie | Mar 20 2010, 11:07 PM Post #6 |
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Is it your birthday soon Joanna? O:, Can you have too many salukis? Actually at 4.5 I suppose I am at maximum.....hang on though, if you can have one horse per three acres O:, O:, what is the ratio per hound and we are talking access to acreage here! Kare - has to be a pup. Male female advice above seconded. |
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| Kare | Mar 21 2010, 01:44 AM Post #7 |
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Thanks everyone, you're always helpful here :) Yeh, pretty sure I'm giving uni a miss Richard :D For a while I wasn't really feeling it was for me and just really wanted to start work now, and have my own dog to own and train e.t.c- and then when the khan pup came up for sale last week and I knew I couldn't have him because of uni I just thought, feck it, I'd rather do a course here and have a dog ;) (I'm now desperately trying to figure out a way I can have the pup- don't suppose anyone wants to look after him for me for a few months until I can take him? :( ) I have thought it over a lot, don't worry. And I'm only 19 so I think plenty of time to study still. I think then based on what you've all said I'm leaning towards a pup- one of my main arguments for a pup was that you do get a 'blank canvas' as said and I can raise and train the pup the way I want. But it also depend how much I'm around in the day so I'll have to wait and see. As to work or show, not into the showing, don't know anything about it so wouldn't want it for that- at least not kennel club type shows. Although I do have this fantasy of showing a working type saluki and it winning over the weak showy types. :P As for working, over the last year I've learned so much about working dogs and have literally gone from thinking 'no, I would never want to work my dogs' to 'yeh I'd really like to give this a go.' Practically though, I don't think I'm ready to work a dog yet and I wouldn't know where to start getting permission in this area :-/ It's mainly a problem of where I live to be honest. But working is definitely something I want to have a go at in the future, and I'd still like to put my dog through the kind of training you lot do, and learn about it myself until the time comes. So I would be looking for a working type pup, although primarily will be a pet at the moment. To be honest, I'm not fussed whether it's a dog or bitch, I just wanted to hear people's experiences. The size/build doesn't matter to me so that's not an issue, and I agree I think it just varies with individuals. I think from experience though I tend to be drawn to dogs- our family dogs are males and our foster dogs always are and I think I just gel with them better. So probably a male, but I'm flexible :) |
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| arcticgun | Mar 21 2010, 09:23 AM Post #8 |
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Kare I never set foot in a uni until I was 32, mind I hated every minute I have spent there (was always there on my days off :'( ) just a means to an end for me, haven't learned much that life has not already taught me :D but that is possibly down to the field I work in ;) There is a lot of sound advice here, and you can always get advice on any litter you see for sale, best advice regarding pups is only go to see litters you really want to buy into, cos saluki pups are so cute you will end up buying into the first lot you visit :lol1: my missus would havetaken one from every litter we have ever seen :ermm: If your thinking of buying MH's pup, he is a little cracker,very good nature, gonna be a strong boy I think, I have seen him a few times and would take him on in a crack if I needed a pure male, the bitch he came from Paige was top notch at her game, personaly I woud take him well before any of the ones advertised currentley on e pupz etc much better bred and parents are from working gear Jo, the simple answer is you won't stop Paul breeding another litter or buying another bitch in ;) nor do you want to either B) I'll look forward to pics of both the new bitch and also the pups in the near future O:, Edited by arcticgun, Mar 21 2010, 09:24 AM.
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| savy | Mar 21 2010, 11:26 AM Post #9 |
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I prefer dogs to bitches, dogs are simple creatures easy going with very few issues. My bitches have always been highly strung and nervous(this is only my small experince) With regards to pups I would make sure you get your pup from a very good breeder. Another of my experiences. I have had three pups in two years. (not all salukis) the two dog pups were well handled in the first 8-9weeks and are bomb proof. The bitch pup(half sloughi) was in a barn and never handled. Even though she came to me as a pup those early days have left there mark. When I first got her she use to freeze with fear when handled. She is now over a year and can be a difficult dog as she gets scared if something unexpected happens and panics. So just a work of advice that things can go wrong even when you get a pup. All three pups have had athe same upbringing |
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| Kare | Mar 21 2010, 06:19 PM Post #10 |
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Here's hoping! B) He was my favourite out of all the dogs I saw sold last year- had everything I was looking for and more in all aspects. He does have great breeding, I agree ;) I have my fingers really tightly crossed that I can work something out with MH. I know where you're coming from with wanting to take every pup you see! I will be careful if I'm looking and not go and visit till I'm very interested, then I'll avoid temptation :P And Joanna, course you're ready for more salukis, you just don't know it yet :lol1: |
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| arcticgun | Mar 21 2010, 06:33 PM Post #11 |
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Micheal's a sound lad Im sure you could work something out between youse, Blue is a corker B) best of luck ;) |
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| Kare | Mar 22 2010, 01:21 AM Post #12 |
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Really sadly I don't think this is going to happen now :'( The problem is I'm still finishing a last A level and I could only really take him on late may/june, and it's impossible for michael to keep him until then, he needs to go really soon. I'm so, so gutted, I tried not to get my hopes up but I obviously did. I wish someone could just look after him for me until june! :( I still haven't given up yet and I'm going to try and get the OK for him to come here now, but I'm not holding much hope for it. I know there'll be other dogs but I'll regret it for a really long time if I can't have this boy. Sorry for going on about it guys :-/ Edited by Kare, Mar 22 2010, 01:22 AM.
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| Kare | Apr 4 2010, 03:15 PM Post #13 |
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I couldn't get my parents to agree to let me take on Blue, not the right time, and he was sold to someone else last night. Gutted isn't the word, like I said he was everything I wanted in a saluki. :( But it is going to happen for me this year, I'm more clear on what I'm looking for in a dog now so I will be on the lookout. I'll put a post up in the breeding section so you can all look out for me too . ;) |
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| arcticgun | Apr 4 2010, 05:08 PM Post #14 |
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You sadly missed a good un in Blue Kare, but life is long and a good saluki is well worth waiting for, don't be tempted by some of the crap that is advertised on E pupz, CMW, from what I have seen a certain breeder in wales has set up a saluki puppy farm :no: , take your time to find the right animal for you, also ensure that your lifestyle allows loads of time to exercise for said saluki, all good tings come to those that wait :yey: if your bored pop over my way I have loads of dogs you are more than welcome to take out and exercise :lol1: Im sure someone on here will be able to point you in the right direction, I also think you would be better off with a pup first time round, then it is a blank canvass and you won't end up paying for someone elses mistakes/poor management, best of luck with the exams B) rather you than me :lol1: |
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| Kare | Apr 7 2010, 01:11 AM Post #15 |
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Thanks Richard :) As for the dog walking offer, I'd be careful because I might just take you up on that! :lol1: I'd certainly love to see gorgeous Nero :D That's awful about the puppy farm :-/ I know wales is like puppy farm central but it's usually breeding the 'popular' breeds, makes me sick to think it's got to the point of a saluki puppy farm! I know everyone advised to get a pup, and it is hard because like I really would like to. But the problem is I'll have to start working a lot towards the end of the year and wouldn't want to leave a young dog at home a lot, so if I was going to get a puppy I'd basically have to get one now for it to have grown up enough by then. Confusing I know. I do want to get the right dog and think carefully about any decisions. As for exams ^o) I've actually given up the last bit of studying altogether now, I just need a proper break over the spring/summer. Which means I'll be at home all the time so yeh, lots of time for taking a saluki out :D Edited by Kare, Apr 7 2010, 01:20 AM.
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