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Lurcher vs saluki
Topic Started: Nov 4 2009, 10:16 PM (479 Views)
Kare	Nov 4 2009, 10:16 PM Post #1
Advanced Member Posts: 48 Group: Members Member #283 Joined: September 10, 2009	Hi all, This is a topic I'm just really curious about... it popped into my head the other day and I keep thinking about it so I'd really like to hear some peoples experiences from those who've known/owned both lurchers and salukis. (oh and beware because there are lots of questions running thorugh my mind and I'm just going to rattle them off :D ) To live with: how do they compare? Are they lazier/more active than lurchers in the house during the day? I know it depends on the individual dog, but generally inside how do they compare in behaviour/habits? Are they the same/worse/better behaved/easier to train? How are they with other dogs (say in the house with other family dogs and with strange dogs) and humans (their family and outsiders) compared to lurchers? And fitness wise, how do they differ? Do they need more exercise than the average lurcher? And more specifically, do you find that saluki lurchers and salukis are very similar or are they actually quite different to each other? And finally if you've had both, in the futre which one would you choose to have again, or would you pick both? I told you it was a lot of questions- feel free to give a general summary if you can't face all those answers :lol1: But I've only had experience of lurchers and saluki lurchers, so I don't know how they compare. I just ask as in future I know I want at least one saluki, but I will want more than one dog and I'm already torn thinking about which I'd get :Laugh: Edited by Kare, Nov 4 2009, 10:17 PM.



Saluqihounds	Nov 4 2009, 11:33 PM Post #2
Administrator Posts: 1,378 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: March 31, 2006 Gender: Male Location: Scotland	Kare Nov 4 2009, 10:16 PM Hi all, This is a topic I'm just really curious about... it popped into my head the other day and I keep thinking about it so I'd really like to hear some peoples experiences from those who've known/owned both lurcher's and Salukis. (oh and beware because there are lots of questions running through my mind and I'm just going to rattle them off :D ) To live with: how do they compare? Are they lazier/more active than lurcher's in the house during the day? I know it depends on the individual dog, but generally inside how do they compare in behavior/habits? ####Mine are just a little more on the go in the house than the lurcher's, they are always listening or on the lookout for potential intruders on their patch so are more reactive to noises sights etc. So long as they are contented from adequate exercise aren't disturbed by the outside world they a very quiet and happy to laze around.#### Are they the same/worse/better behaved/easier to train? ####depends what you mean by training? Saluki typically don't do well at formal training, and dislike obeying commands for the sake of it. Again the more they are exercised and contented the easier they are to manage. Mine will walk at heal, come when called and retrieve of a fashion and understant and repsonds a huge amount more when out hunting, my crosses both lurchers and SalukiX's I find far harder to manage the more ignorant where with my Saluki I have a connection with them.##### How are they with other dogs (say in the house with other family dogs and with strange dogs) and humans (their family and outsiders) compared to lurcher's? ####Mine are a nightmare with strange dogs and would kill them in the wrong circumstances, they massively dominant and massively territorial were encounters with strange dogs are concerned. They are a real liability in that respect and require me to very much on their case in such situations. In the right circumstances they will accept any dog so long as it is respectful of them. I have next to no infighting in my pack and if it should arrise I'd flatten the lot of them. They will also not have anything to with people other me and my family and will be seriously aggressive at times but that is more a quality of this line and the fact that I don't overly socialize them due the amount being stolen.### And fitness wise, how do they differ? And more specifically, do you find that Saluki lurcher's and Salukis are very similar or are they actually quite different to each other? ? ####Fitness as in stamina? Saluki's are really in a league of their own, even totally unfit my salukis would still run anyone of the lurchers I've had into the ground, salukiXs have decent stamina no doubt about that but still don't come close the salukis IMO.#### Do they need more exercise than the average lurcher? #### I would yes mine would start going stir crazy if I didn't hunt or seriously exercise them daily, where as the lurchers will take it or leave with problems. Again the more you exercise them the easier they are. If for any reason I can not get them for a good run they would try to escape the garden and go on a killing spree on the estate, they do have a massive prey drive but again I encourage that with fittness training and hunting I have them literally buzzing lol#### And finally if you've had both, in the future which one would you choose to have again, or would you pick both? ####Saluki's (or their relatives), I'll have not another lurcher or salukiX (not counting mixes of saluki tazi afghan etc as I see them as the same as each other if that makes sense) #### I told you it was a lot of questions- feel free to give a general summary if you can't face all those answers :lol1: But I've only had experience of lurcher's and Saluki lurcher's, so I don't know how they compare. I just ask as in future I know I want at least one Saluki, but I will want more than one dog and I'm already torn thinking about which I'd get :Laugh: Going from my experience of 4 Salukis, 5 Salukis and 4 non Saluki lurcher's and bearly touching the surface of the ins and outs of them as everthing is so subjective. In sumary; with a good bond, plenty of free running exercise or hunting, I find them easier to manage to my needs (ie responding very well to my direction) than my lurchers and salukisX. They are strange dog and people aggressive but managable with care and correct handling and have a high prey drive. :notworthy:



sevendogs	Nov 8 2009, 01:45 PM Post #3
Advanced Member Posts: 94 Group: Members Member #2 Joined: April 1, 2006	Recently, I have read Brian Plummer book about lurchers. He has the experience and a very strong opinion on this matter. As I learned, he likes lurchers, because they are smart and more reliable obedient hounds during the hunting. I understand this may be very important, if you live and hunt in a crowded places, where the dog should obey commands and behave well. Saluki is a better sighthound; it is faster and has the endurance; it avoids obstacles and rarely gets injured during hunting. It is smarter and more self-reliant in wild places, but it may be less obedient not because of the dog is not intelligent, but rather because of its more independent character and hunting style. My three Saluki here, in Virginia, run fast and hunt a lot in a very difficult environment with mountains, rocky slopes, thorny bushes and wire farmer's fences, but they learn about the area and never get injured.



daks	Nov 8 2009, 03:41 PM Post #4
Advanced Member Posts: 113 Group: Members Member #277 Joined: August 26, 2009 Gender: Male Location: county durham	hi sevendogs, no offence mate but brian plummer was an idiot total recluse and if you have read one of his books then you will see he pussyfoots around everything for example: you want to get your puppy to sit, (simple enough) plummer then goes off on a long story about when he had this dog that would do this but not that and he was at school and met a man who went to the bank and got a loaf of bread etc etc etc all the time, would you not agree?? as all the books i have read are like this by plummer lol no offence they are a decent read but i just wanna shout FOR F**KS SAKE get on with teaching me how i get my dam puppy to sit :lol1: i agree he does seem clued up on lurchers but if i remember right he ony ever used collie crosses so how can he talk of longdogs? his greatest claim to fame is through the plummer terrier admittadly i have one!!! she isnt the best terrier but would do a fox with my saluki x greyhound, had rats rabbit and the odd field mouse!! so the drive is there. i.m.o i find lurchers to be just as bad in the house as my pure saluki so far, except the lurcher doesnt moan and groan so much!! (i am comparing this to my youngest lurcher Tink who is 8 month old this month) i know they will chew whatever they want sit where they want and just drive me up the wall fighting on and not listening to what i say hence why tink is on an electric collar now!! he soon comes back, sits, begs, hoovers and polishes lol when he gets a little shock! the saluki since being bitten by tink has quietend a little and now just mainly lays asleep next to me on the couch which is fantastic :) i cannot wait to see how my little saluki "trix" works when he is old enough and because i have "tink" wll run them on hare together to see how each perform and how they perform together as team, all dogs are differant to each other wether it be salukis or lurchers, they may do the same job as each other but all have their own personalities and traits and i find withall dogs you get out what you put into them, i could take a rescue saluki x greyhound and match it against a pure bred saluki that has cost �2000 and my x breed rescue could win all because i have put the time and effort into the dog if you see what i am saying??? cheers ...gary :)



shaddow	Nov 8 2009, 05:08 PM Post #5
Advanced Member Posts: 168 Group: Members Member #153 Joined: August 11, 2008	no matter how much time you spend on training and conditioning a pure saluki or lurcher , if it aint got it in it to begin with it wont be no good , you cant turn a donkey into grand national winner . you can maximise the potential of any dog but you cant make them all into champions otherwise everyone would have champions



Saluqihounds	Nov 8 2009, 07:26 PM Post #6
Administrator Posts: 1,378 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: March 31, 2006 Gender: Male Location: Scotland	True if you are looking to course competitively you are looking for a dog that will beat the rest of the competition and not merely be successful in the hunt. However a dog that might miss one and therefore be knocked out of a competition could still be the better bag filler, be more durable and more versatile but that is an entirely different topic. Oh and I hope you are not implying that donkeys are in anyway inferior to Grand National winners? As I simply will not tolerate it!!! :chair:



smoothy	Nov 9 2009, 02:21 PM Post #7
Advanced Member Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: October 17, 2006	Are we talking Lurchers or Saluki-lurchers? Because IMO the true breeding strains of " saluki-lurchers " are the saluki type that excels in the British Isles, they are our regional theme on the saluki. Same as the Tazi of Turkey and other east Asian/European countries, the more hirsute dogs of Afghanistan, the feathered dogs of northern Iran/Iraq the smooths of the empty Quarter the Moroccan Sloughi etc. A good example is when Sir Terrance argues that the Sloughi and saluki, classed as different breeds by the K.C, are regional variations. He proves his point superbly in Gail Goodmans " coursing hound of the east" by first of all stating that hounds are regularly exchanged between Morocco and Arabia and reinforces the point by showing pictures of Moroccan and Saudi dogs and asking the reader Saluki or Sloughi? The exact same thing could be done on here, putting up pictures of saluki lurchers and salukis, some of the best saluki "lurchers" that Ive seen would grace the main ring at crufts ( but FAR superior in the hunting field, for that is what they are bred for, to catch game single handed,not course doubled up under rules) A good example would be Marks dog. Looks like a "purebred saluki" runs and performs like a good one should. Yet his farther was a rescue and although he looked like a pure saluki (many do) and i told him he looks very much like he was sired by Deacon, he is much more likely to be a saluki lurcher as Deacon only sired one full bred litter and hundreds of "lurchers" and he his no worse for that!



arcticgun	Nov 9 2009, 05:34 PM Post #8
Advanced Member Posts: 168 Group: Members Member #233 Joined: May 7, 2009	smoothy Nov 9 2009, 02:21 PM Because IMO the true breeding strains of " saluki-lurchers " are the saluki type that excels in the British Isles, they are our regional theme on the saluki. Same as the Tazi of Turkey and other east Asian/European countries, the more hirsute dogs of Afghanistan, the feathered dogs of northern Iran/Iraq the smooths of the empty Quarter the Moroccan Sloughi etc. :notworthy: bang on the money is that statement Smoothy IMHO, we maybe several thousand years behind the COO, but are catching up very quiclky with the development of the 'coursing saluki hybrid' a lot of which are often hard to distinguish from 'Saluki'. Back in history saluki stock must have got stale and had fresh non saluki blood introduced ie, greyhound or just a local mongrel that was a stone dead killer or had some other desirable attribute. atvbv Richard



saluqi	Nov 9 2009, 07:55 PM Post #9
Advanced Member Posts: 316 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: February 20, 2007 Gender: Male Location: England	smoothy the saluki lurcher your talking about have everything in them as well as saluki, it may look like a saluki but does it act and run like a saluki? where as the COO salukis may have the odd other type in them but its going to be a very small % . And smoothy the British Isles is a bit bigger then the fens ;) a top saluki or saluki lurcher should be able to catch anywhere, and a lot of the fen dogs aren't that good off the fens and some types of salukis aren't that good in smaller fields. But get the right saluki and it will put more in the pot than most, their bred for hunting not matching.



daks	Nov 9 2009, 08:28 PM Post #10
Advanced Member Posts: 113 Group: Members Member #277 Joined: August 26, 2009 Gender: Male Location: county durham	i think that last part of your statement is spot on saluqi :Good: back in 96 i got a saluki lurcher "tyson" as a rescue dog at the age of 4 month old. he was a bag of bones and nerves and had been kicked from pillar to post and back i paid �30 for him he acted just like a saluki should but looked like a greyhound just a little smaller (26" tts) i can honestly say hand on heart he was the best dog i have ever ever owned he took everything from rats to badger single handed, took 5 out of 5 hare in winter won numerous shows and i matced him against a dog called meg who beat the forley cup winner back in 99 who ever that was?? in a match in the valleys of wales and my tyson beat that 4-2 he was a monster gentle as hell around me the ex and my daughter but wouldnt go near strangers, he would run hare until their lungs burst and that isnt any bullshit he was decent on the rabbits in the smaller fields but not as good as my bull x sadly he had to be pts at 10yr old and i still miss him i wish i could turn back the clock as i wouldnt of got his nuts off and had a litter out of him, so the comment about turning a donkey into a national winner cant be right coz this dog i would match against anything including pure salukis he might loose but i reckon it would of been close make of that what you will it still comes down to the fact you get out what you put in no matter what x or breed but why would you buy a spade to plaster a wall?? you wouldnt you'd buy a dog that will do what you want it to do no good buying bull x if you live on the fens really is there?? same as you wouldnt buy a pure saluki to run bunnies in a 50m field you'd get a whippet or whippet x its horses for courses at the end of the day thats just my opinion like lol :)



smoothy	Nov 9 2009, 08:37 PM Post #11
Advanced Member Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: October 17, 2006	Put it this way Andy, if an Arab , beduewin tribesman, Kurd or other hunter from the middle east saw one of yours run and one of mine that looked like a saluki "with a bit of everything in" i know with one he would prefer ;) You see Ive actually been out and done a bit, not just the odd trip to a saluki corsing club meeting or lamping round Cornwall. Its a good job there is more than the fens to go at because your dog was an abject failure there, that's why you ended up with it ;) Is there more to the British isles than the fens? We,ll i didn't know that!!!!!!!!!! I must tell mine next time their on the moors or jumping the sheep netting hunting! :lol1: You are referring to the kizzy stuff when you talk about salukis in smaller fields, as you stated in an earlier post "there to slow :HMMMMM: :hunter: " and showed your ignorance because the OPPOSITE is true.............. i know because ive seen them and your strain run.................lots and lots of times. Anytime you fancy a run to test if your theories are right ( because that's what they are) get in touch ;)



saluqi	Nov 10 2009, 10:10 AM Post #12
Advanced Member Posts: 316 Group: Members Member #76 Joined: February 20, 2007 Gender: Male Location: England	:Laugh: well that was a bit nasty, think you would have learnt a lesson when you ran markbrick And what are you talking about? '' Its a good job there is more than the fens to go at because your dog was an abject failure there, that's why you ended up with it '' what dog? so tell us the story. If i had been talking about the kizzy stuff in small fields i would have said and another thing you got wrong is ''odd trip to a saluki corsing club meeting or lamping round Cornwall'' you want to get your facts right first before you talk :lol1: Now your last statement '' and showed your ignorance because the OPPOSITE is true.............. i know because I've seen them and your strain run.................lots and lots of times.'' sounds like your saying the kizzy stuff is faster than, what was it my strain? :BB: you say you've seen my dogs run lots of times, when was this as you say i never come out of cornwall. I did think old markbrick was lying when he said you was mad with me for not telling you how good his dogs are ( his words not mine :lol1: ) and that you think i set you up to run his rabbiting dogs against the top match strain (your dogs and still his words ) in the country. Now going from your post and post before I'm now starting to think he was telling the truth. Since your match with mark I've seen marks dogs run and seen how much stamina they have I'm not surprised he won :HOORAY: If it upset you so much getting beat by mark run him again but leave me out of it thanks.



daks	Nov 12 2009, 12:37 PM Post #13
Advanced Member Posts: 113 Group: Members Member #277 Joined: August 26, 2009 Gender: Male Location: county durham	(chanting) FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT :boxing: :boxing: :boxing: :lol1: at the end of the day it all comes down to peoples opinions on what dogs are good what are a waste, me presonally wouldnt give two hoots if i took my saluki out with yours and yours thrashed it 5-0 what does it prove?? your dogs better than mine?? so what?? i would still love my dog, he's fit and healthy and runs but id of had a good nightout met some fellow dog lovers and hopefully had a great time and made a mate, as long as my dog catches and pleases me i couldnt care less how fast your dog is or if it could mop the floor, polish and hoover all at the same time, i still say its the effort you put into the dog but again thats just my opinion and opinions are like arholes, everyone has oneand they are usually full of st lol...gary :)



Saluqihounds	Nov 12 2009, 09:16 PM Post #14
Administrator Posts: 1,378 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: March 31, 2006 Gender: Male Location: Scotland	smoothy Nov 9 2009, 08:37 PM Put it this way Andy, if an Arab , beduewin tribesman, Kurd or other hunter from the middle east saw one of yours run and one of mine that looked like a saluki "with a bit of everything in" i know with one he would prefer ;) You see Ive actually been out and done a bit, not just the odd trip to a saluki corsing club meeting or lamping round Cornwall. Its a good job there is more than the fens to go at because your dog was an abject failure there, that's why you ended up with it ;) Is there more to the British isles than the fens? We,ll i didn't know that!!!!!!!!!! I must tell mine next time their on the moors or jumping the sheep netting hunting! :lol1: You are referring to the kizzy stuff when you talk about salukis in smaller fields, as you stated in an earlier post "there to slow :HMMMMM: :hunter: " and showed your ignorance because the OPPOSITE is true.............. i know because ive seen them and your strain run.................lots and lots of times. Anytime you fancy a run to test if your theories are right ( because that's what they are) get in touch ;) Once again that is a hell of a statement to make (in another post you basically totally dismissed everyone on here as dreamers). :thumbsdown: As far as I am aware Saluqi is more than happy with his dogs so who are you to feel you are in a position to belittle them? Personally I think you need to sort yourself out before posting again. I'm all for debate and disscussion but I'm having no more of these personal attacks.



daks	Nov 13 2009, 01:34 PM Post #15
Advanced Member Posts: 113 Group: Members Member #277 Joined: August 26, 2009 Gender: Male Location: county durham	good on you mr moderator lol, i reckon if people want to just belittle and attack everything people say they need to get their sorry asses to the hunting life theyd fit right in on there :lol1:


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